"Okay guys, he wouldn't talk after the 53rd time, then he gave us some information after the 89th time that turned out to be false, then after the 111th time I thought we had him because at 115, he was looking like he was going to tell us some stuff... then by 134 we knew he was just playing us, so we really stepped it up at 140-167, we pulled out all the stops... basically now we are just coasting, what # are we at now? 183 ? That seems to be working pretty well. Maybe next month we'll crack him!"
As usual Russ Feingold, my favorite politician ever, is the lone voice in Washington asking that people be held accountable for their actions.
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One issue I have with these kind of test water boardings, that some people have done, is that you know it is being done by some professional who will stop when you wave the white flag. Lock Sean Hannity is a black site prison in Syria for a few months. Subject him to freezing cold, wet, and dark conditions while naked and under food restrictions. don't let him know night from day. Slam him into a wall a few dozen times and subject him to stress positions, while demanding that he provide information that he doesn't have. Lock his hands to the sealing and his feet to the floor, and make him stand that way until a doctor determines that his legs have contracted in length beyond a medically safe point. Then, water board him 6 times a day for a month. Each time demanding that he provide us with information that he may not even have. Don't allow him to know if there is any end to the "enhanced interogation." Then we'll see if he thinks it's torture.
Water boarding would be a horrible thing to go through in any situation, but doing it for charity on TV isn't exactly the same as what happened in secret prisons at the hand of our government and its operatives. I'm just saying.
True true, but I think its all we can hope for, I dont think he would sign up fot the Syria trip, and also it would take the smug smile off of that son of a bitch for a couple seconds at least, so that would be awesome.
True, true.
From what I remember from my intro psych classes, enhanced interrogations give you random garbage (Amanda Knox comes to mind). How these procedures were ever approved is beyond me. personally, I'm undecided as to whether cia officers working within the limits established by higher ups should be held responsible... pragmatically, having cia officers acting independently (against orders) seems tricky. that said, it certainly seems like 183 times in a month would be outside the boundaries set by higher ups, but who knows; perhaps Dick Cheney personally told them to lift the limits. The people that concocted the approval of torture should be held accountable; shame them, disbar them, or make them take intro psych classes and perhaps history classes... after reading this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html
it's pretty hard to argue for any "looking forward" without taking necessary steps to enforce laws as they have been enforced in the past.
I'm totally off the fence. I was listening to an on point from last week and I got so mad listening to some "professor" defend the interrogation tactics that I'm settled. Anyone who is an interrogator for this country should know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that these tactics are torture and are the opposite of useful (note: I was only on the fence about whether cia agents should be held accountable); it's their effen job, they should know what's useful and what is self destructive.
and the excuse that "it was a terrifying time" is total BS. 36,000 americans die each year from regular old influenza (not that fancy swine flu stuff), but that's just "part of life". Give me a break! if people aren't cool headed under such circumstances they should be doing something else... maybe making license plates!
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